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Revolutionizing Discipleship: Embracing a Life-on-Life Approach in Men's Ministry

September 08, 2024 W. Austin Gardner Season 1 Episode 59

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What if traditional discipleship is falling short of preparing men for impactful ministry roles? Join us from Medellin, Colombia, as we uncover the critical differences between discipleship and training, particularly in men’s ministry. In this thought-provoking episode, we challenge the conventional wisdom that basic doctrinal teachings are enough. We introduce the concept of "withness," a life-on-life approach coined by Peter Kralman, which emphasizes the importance of being present and fully invested in the lives of those we train. This approach goes beyond the classroom, suggesting that the true essence of training is more caught than taught.

Our discussion also explores the necessity of flexibility and adaptability in training programs. We stress that each individual's journey is unique and may lead them to unexpected yet fulfilling paths, such as full-time ministry, missionary work, or impactful layman roles. The focus should always be on thorough preparation rather than controlling their destiny. Tune in to gain practical insights and thoughtful advice for mentoring others, and discover how to effectively equip and support the next generation of leaders in your ministry.

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W. Austin Gardner:

Well, I want to talk to you from Medellin, Colombia, which I'm excited to be here, about training men, and so I want to kind of help you with the idea of the thought, the conflict between discipleship and training. You know, we say discipleship and it got thrown around a lot, but what it really. I grew up and I went to a new believers class a lot, but what it really. I grew up and I went to new believers class and many churches have a new believers class and they go through all the minimum basic doctrines but they're not really preparing you to do something with your life, like go into full-time ministry, be a missionary. The men that you'll be training all should go through basic discipleship. But we need to move on past discipleship into training, and training is totally different. It is not a lesson that you can draw from a book. I think that's one of the biggest differences. Maybe basic discipleship can be drawn from a book, but this is life on life. It is you pouring out your love to them as a family, your family loving their family. It's investing or pouring yourself into another person. Jesus describes it in Mark 3, 14 as withness. I got that from my buddyter Kralman. I've never met him, talked to him on the phone, written a couple of letters, love him. He did a great job and you should get a hold of his book. He developed, coined the term withness instead of witness, and he, if we're really going to train men, we must be with them.

W. Austin Gardner:

You got to remember that this is more caught than taught. This isn't the Sunday morning that they had at our church when I was a boy, where you went through what is salvation? What is baptism? How do you pray? What is tithing? How do you attend church? Why do you attend church? How do you lead someone to Christ? How do you manage your money? Those are all things every believer ought to be taught. But, to be honest, there are other things where we will take men farther along than that, and that's a part of our job to get them farther along and help them do all that work.

W. Austin Gardner:

So let me just say a few things. Uh, you need to have loose reins when you're riding a horse. You don't want to hold tight on the reins. Those strings hook to the to the bit and come back in your hand. You want to hold them loosely. If you hold them tightly one, the horse is very uncomfortable and doesn't like you. But as you're training men, you need to realize that men have their own wills and their own ways and they won't turn out exactly like you might want them to. They'll be their own man. So that means make a plan, be ready to adapt. They may train to be a missionary and then not be a missionary. They may train to be a pastor and then be a missionary. They may train to be a missionary and then turn out to be a layman. But that's okay. We're not in the calling business, we're in the training business. That's all I got for you today, but you come back and I'll give you more tomorrow.